it’s really long but totally worth it if you’re on the fence about/don’t like the phrase “die cis scum”
ignore the fact that it’s reddit (it’s a good reddit anyways)
EDIT: I SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT IF YOU ARE TRANS* YOURSELF READING THIS POST COULD BE INCREDIBLY UPSETTING. it’s written from a trans woman’s perspective but i’m sure there are things in there that still can apply to trans men and any nonbinary type people in there too. so basically TRIGGER WARNING: DEPRESSING SHIT.
This is really a response to the author and not to poster but yeah
But to me, the whole point of fighting discrimination, at its core, is erasing the line between “us” and “them.” It’s that line that causes problems, because the thems are dehumanized, and if they’re somehow less than the us-es, then a lot of people will think it’s okay to treat them like less.
I don’t object to “die cis scum” on the grounds of “oh but I’m cis and I’m nice and gosh this hurts my feelings.” I object to it on the grounds that it creates more of a barrier between cis and trans people; I object to it on the grounds that my ideal world is one where we’re all people first.
And while it’s true that sitting back and taking the abuse, waiting for it to get better, never changes a thing, I don’t think fighting fire with fire will change anything, either. It just builds the walls up, makes the lines between us and them deeper, instead of blurring them away.
Yes, you have every right to feel that way. You have every right to call out bullshit, because frankly, there’s a lot of bullshit. And people who are legitimately scumbags absolutely deserve to be called the scumbags they are.
But when you are a minority, you’re not going to get what you want by telling the majority that they suck, that they need to die. They’re going to shut you out; they’re going to get angry; they’re going to want nothing to do with you or your cause.
When you’re looking for equality, wishing equal abuse on everyone is an understandable feeling of frustration, but it’s not the answer.
Hi! Original author of that post here. I can provide you some proof if necessary, but my internet is slow as hell and so it’s going to take a bit if that’s the case.
I agree with you on a lot of this. I don’t like “die cis scum”. Really, I don’t. It’s not because it’s an insult or that it’s going to offend someone (because the people who do get offended are too busy being upset that trans people would be angry at them), it’s that it does exactly what you said: it creates an othering. It others trans people by othering cis people. It does create a divide.
The thing about “die cis scum” to me, is that it’s probably the most well known expression of sheer frustration and anger that trans people have with being treated like scum. I want to explain that frustration. I want to reclaim that anger. But I also want it to be put to constructive use, instead of just creating another battlefield where trans and cis people just fling shit back and forth.
However, I think the primary reason I wrote it (it was, when initially posted, a 45-minute expulsion of pure acid from my stomach at 5 AM) was to point out how frustrating it is for people who claim to be allies to take more offense with “die cis scum” than with trans people being treated like scum. At the very least, they have a disproportionate response towards it.
Like, if an ally is mildly offended that scummy cis people get called “cis scum” on occasion, why aren’t they so much more offended that trans people get treated like scum? It’s like “whoa, y’know, it sucks that trans people get shit upon by society in so many ways, but ‘die cis scum’ is way over the line!”
And that’s a frustrating problem. Discussion of an environment — Earth — in which we are treated like shit and cis people get one insult gets reframed into “well, what about the cis people?” What about them? Seriously?
In regards to appeasement… I’m not a fan. But I am well aware that people respond much better to it than to non-appeasement. I support it because it’s effective. I dislike it because it is yet another way for privileged groups to force underprivileged groups into playing the game by their rules. I think it carries the risk of people looking back on this and being like “well, if it weren’t for the cis people, trans people would still be mistreated”, neglecting to realize that we wouldn’t have been mistreated in the first place if not for them.
And, well, in regards to wishing this on people. I don’t. I don’t want people to have to go through this. I can see why it would be helpful in getting people to understand us. But I really don’t. I don’t want people mistreated. But I know that’s the only way they’ll truly know what it’s like, or at least have a decent grasp, and so sometimes I do want to want them to experience our lives.
Sorry if this is a rather disjointed ramble. I’m juggling convos and honestly not super interested in debating the merits of a good portion of that word soup.